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    March 13, 2013 | 69 Comments

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    Dr. Brown focuses again on the serious teachings today that tells us to listen to Paul and not Jesus as well as any teaching that downplays the ugliness and danger of sin. Listen live here 2-4 pm EST, and call into the show at  (866) 348 7884  with your questions and comments.

     

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    69 Responses to “Don’t Ignore the Words of Jesus or the Dangers of Sin”

    1. Bo
      March 17th, 2013 @ 6:43 pm

      Dan1el,

      The scriptures I quote prove my points. You cannot prove that they say something different. It is just too obvious to those that read them for what they straightforwardly say.

      You evidently think that you are an apostle or something the way you pass out judgment and anathemas. You think that you have proven me wrong and boast about it. It is evident that you know how to accuse me of heresy and misrepresent my position. The real heretic (hairetikos-literally chooser) is one that picks and chooses what scripture he wants to obey instead of living by every word of YHWH. This is nothing less than self worship and eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Those that keep YHWH’s commandments will get to eat from the tree of life.

      Re 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

      Pride and disobedience to the scripture will be judged. Real grace causes us to obey YHWH’s law not disobey it. I am afraid that a little dog has pulled the curtain back that you hoped would hide your real identity. You are not as great and powerful as you want us to think.

      Peter speaks of those that twist Paul’s words as the ones that are led away with the error of the law breakers. I certainly am not teaching others to break YHWH’s law. You, on the other hand…

      2 Peter 3
      16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
      17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability.

      Shalom

    2. Bo
      March 17th, 2013 @ 6:50 pm

      Ray,

      Acts chapter 10 gives the interpretation of the vision. Why do you not just believe what it says instead of adding your own twist. That you are reading between the lines and inventing what you would like it to say so that you can satiate your lust for forbidden unclean meat is obvious.

      I wrote the following a while ago:

      “The voice in the vision says “what I have cleansed, call thou not unclean.” It does not state, “I have cleansed these animals.” We find out exactly what He had cleansed in the following verses. “Those from every nation…”

      Rev.18
      1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
      2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

      This passage is relating a vision that John had. As you can see the term “unclean” is used in relation to an animal. If it had been cleansed in Acts 10 then how did it become unclean again?

      The answer is simple. In these two visions “unclean” animals/birds stand for something symbolically. The unclean animals stand for gentiles/nations. The unclean birds stand for evil spirits and/or people/nations that are possessed by them. YHWH is not willy nilly changing his mind on the topic of which animals he has designed for us to eat.

      Symbols like these are found throughout the scripture in dreams and visions. To take them literally is not in keeping with sound interpretational procedures. In some cases, like the passage in Acts 10, it is ignoring the divine interpretation and the intended purpose of the vision.

      Dr. Michael Brown, in “Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus”, volume 4, says this of Acts 10:9-16 on page 27-275:

      ‘Now, this has often been interpreted as a
      divine command for Peter to eat treif (i.e.
      unclean food), but the text says nothing of
      the kind. Rather, as Peter was soon to
      understand…”God has shown me that I should
      not call any man impure or unclean.” (Acts
      10:28b). but that is not the point I want to
      emphasize here. Rather, it is Peter’s earlier
      response to the visionary command to kill and
      eat unclean animals…If his Master and Teacher
      had revoked the dietary laws, as some have
      understood Mark 7:19, surely Peter would have
      understood, especially if Peter had been a
      primary source of mark’s information.’”

      I also wrote this:

      n the vision it is stated to “rise, kill and eat.” As you know, dreams and visions usually need an interpretation. Peter was given the interpretation. He did not go and eat Cornelius. He didn’t go and eat an unclean animal. The interpretation had nothing to do with actually eating unclean animals…or even eating gentiles for that matter. But the vision sure got Peter’s attention.

      The interpretation was just and only: What YHWH has cleansed do not call unclean…call no man common or unclean…that YHWH accepts those of every nation that work righteousness and fear Him.

      That dream or the interpretation does not say that YHWH made unclean animals clean or that He made all gentiles clean. The only gentiles that He has cleaned are the ones that work righteousness and fear Him.

      Ray, you can read a lot of things that are not there nor eluded to by reading between the lines.

      The interpretation is the interpretation. We have no right to say it means more than YHWH and Peter said it meant…Or maybe we should tell the baker in Egypt that the birds eating out of his basket meant that the gentiles would like his pastries and is not only about his death sentence?

      Or Maybe we should intrerpret Pharaoh’s dream to mean that there would be new breeds of cattle. One would be fat free and eat other cattle instead of grass. Another would make good zero calorie meals no matter how fat they were.

      One thing we know for sure. Some animals were considered unclean at the time that Revelation was written. If YHWH had cleansed all the unclean animals and fowls as you say Ray, then why does He still make a differentiation in the last book of scripture?

      Re 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

      Eating unclean animals makes us unclean. Eating or wanting to eat those things that YHWH calls unclean is covetousness. It is Idolatry too, for Paul says:

      Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
      6 For which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
      7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

      It would be good to stop doing and teaching others that it is not bad to do those things that cause the wrath of YHWH to come on the children of disobedience. Peter and John never taught that the animals that YHWH calls unclean were OK to eat. Neither did Paul, but people twist his words to go against the rest of scripture.

      Shalom

    3. Barrett
      March 17th, 2013 @ 7:26 pm

      Ray,

      Your friend is a living example of the power of the blood to forgive sins. But just because YHWH will forgive murder does not give us the right to commit murder when ever we want. That is all I’m saying about the other commandments. Like eating pork. I think Acts 10 is only talking about people not meat. Just like Matt 16:6-12 is only talking about doctrine and not bread.

      Shalom

    4. Ray
      March 17th, 2013 @ 10:04 pm

      I think we all should agree that a man who continues to murder is not on the path of salvation, at least not while he continues on such a sinful, evil path, having neither remorse nor repentance about killing, but what of one who eats bacon with many of his breakfasts each month?

      Is he living in sin by doing so? I say no.

      Barrett, what is your opinion on this, about bacon?

      What about the man who has a doctrine that says that eating bacon is a sin for whoever does it at any time? Has he fallen into legalism?

    5. Ray
      March 17th, 2013 @ 10:48 pm

      Since men are not under the law, it’s sin for them to stone someone to death if they were to commit sins that were worthy of death by stoning under the law.

      For me to say so isn’t that I despise the law, it’s that I appreciate the grace of God.

      For me to say so, isn’t that I promote sin by saying grace is to be used as an excuse to sin, rather what I am saying is that it’s good for us to be under the grace of God and to respond to that grace in thanksgiving and to love God back for the wonderful grace he has given us by Jesus Christ, his Son, who gave his life for us that we might be saved by grace.

      Do men who would judge me wrong in this, despise the grace of God, and thereby frustrate such grace, which is the result of the work of Christ?

      And how can we tell if how we judge is of men or of God? If the way we judge others determines that we in fact are guilty of the same things that we accuse others of, we can conclude that our judgment is of the flesh and not of God.

      The law is most certainly of God, and also is his grace. The grace of God is just as much of God as the law is.

    6. Barrett
      March 17th, 2013 @ 10:56 pm

      Ray,

      Is a man who eats bacon with many of his breakfasts a month living in sin? I believe he is. But I also believe that a man can be living in sin and still be saved. Look at Gideon who was an idolater, and Samson who was a womanizer, and even King David who on his death bed arranged the murder of a man he had supposedly forgiven years before. Thank YHWH for his grace is all I can say.

      As for your second question. No, I do not believe it is legalism to say it is a sin to eat pork. But I do believe it is legalism to say that you have to not eat pork to be saved.

      The moment we say we have to believe in Yeshua and whatever, wether it is don’t eat pork or don’t murder or don’t have sex outside of marriage in order to be saved we have crossed into legalism. That is salvation by works not faith.

      Shalom

    7. Barrett
      March 17th, 2013 @ 11:06 pm

      Ray,

      You are right. We should be thankful for the grace of YHWH. People say they are thankful without works, but I show I’m thankful by my works.

      Shalom

    8. Bo
      March 18th, 2013 @ 8:32 am

      Ray,

      You wrote:
      “Since men are not under the law, it’s sin for them to stone someone to death if they were to commit sins that were worthy of death by stoning under the law.”

      The death penalty for murder existed from at least the time of Noah. Is it the stoning that is the sin or the death penalty?

      Are all men under grace or just the believer? If only the believer, then they only are exempt from capital punishment. If all men are under grace, then everyone is saved and there is no need for them to believe the gospel.

      Grace does not do away with temporal punishment for crimes. It is still right to enforce civil penalties. Grace does not do away with what YHWH’s law says is a crime. It provides eternal salvation for those that have broken YHWH’s law.

      Being under grace doesn’t legally relieve us of earthly justice. We cannot tell the earthly judge that because we are under grace he must not put us in prison or enact restitution or make us pay for court costs or that he may not sentence us to death.

      Earthly justice systems are all flawed. The only perfectly righteous judgements are the ones found in YHWH’s law. When we or our societies impose law or justice that is at odds with YHWH’s declarations of what is to be punished and how, we have perverted justice. We might not get caught or we might be given a light sentence or we might be convicted wrongly and punished for something that we are not guilty of by a earthly court, but that does not change YHWH’s unchanging law about what is wrong to do and what punishment is to be carried out.

      Murder, Homosexual acts and adultery still deserve the death penalty. Witches still deserve the same. Our civil governments are at odds with YHWH’s law.

      Since the Messianic kingdom is still in the future, Y’shua’s assembly does not have civil authority to put people in prison or to make them pay restitution or to carry out the death penalty. We still are to testify in earthly courts against those that have committed crimes so that justice will be served. We still are to uphold YHWH’s law as far as us calling sin what He calls sin in His law. We are allowed, and even commanded, to disassociate with anyone that is called a brother that continues obstinately in sin. Sin is the transgression of YHWH’s law.

      YHWH has not removed His righteous judgements from the earth. He has empowered civil governments to carry out justice even unto the death penalty. He has called believers to judge righteous judgment by upholding His law as the standard of right and wrong, holy and unholy, clean and unclean. He has not called us to set up an earthly government, but to wait till we rule and reign with Him in the millennium to carry out His justice as far as sentencing and penalties are concerned. Messiah’s kingdom is not of this world, yet.

      Maybe I have misunderstood your statements, but as far as I can see they are against what scripture teaches. Believers are not exempt from the death penalty and unbelievers are not under grace.

      David was not stoned to death because there were not 2 or 3 witnesses against him. He deserved to die. The woman caught in adultery was not stoned to death because there were not 2 or 3 witnesses willing to testify honestly and implicate the man or to testify dishonestly, probably because they knew that a false witness in this case was to punished with death by stoning. YHWH’s judgments are true and righteous altogether.

      Ps 19:7 ¶ The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
      8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.
      9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.
      10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
      11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
      12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
      13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
      14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.

      If only believing men would actually believe the passage above…the world would be a better place.

      Shalom

    9. Barrett
      March 18th, 2013 @ 10:48 am

      Ray,

      It is funny how many Christians can believe in the death penalty for murder by lethal injection or even the electric chair, but the moment someone says we should stone them they get accused of legalism and being under the law or trying to earn salvation by works.

      Shalom

    10. Earl Click
      March 18th, 2013 @ 11:05 am

      I wrote this and posted it elsewhere but do not feel anyone has respnded to it well. What do you think?

      “I do not try and downplay the words in red but we must not overlook that Jesus was sent to the Jews and had to live perfectly under the Law both in word and heart. He obeyed the Law and died so that we might receive grace not so we would have the perfect example to know how to live the Law out as He himself did. He said John the Immerser preached the gospel, and then he Jesus preached it. Paul also said he preached a gospel he described as ‘my gospel’ in Rm. 2:16. This is clearly a statement that the gospel that Jesus ministered had changed after the cross and now the correct understanding of it is being revealed through Paul and the other men who preached post resurrection. It would seem to me that what we must do is understand what Paul preached as needed in order to live out the God-pleasing life well. The council of Jerusalem said that if we did the 4 things listed in Acts 15 we are doing well. Are we now to think that by adding to it we attain a higher status ? I can see no reason to add anything to the 2 commandments, love God and love others. If we walk in love the Law has no place to abide in our life.””
      and yes there is something called legalism. Foolishnes was the great apostles words to those who endeavored to be perfected by the works of the flesh. I notice he directly tied its fruit to their inability to receive the miracles in their life. And that is a rather accurate summation of what we see in much of mainstream Christianity in the US of A today. The flesh erecting a wall of unbelief and hindering the Lords works of power from coming to the rescue of His people.
      love ya, earl click

    11. Barrett
      March 18th, 2013 @ 4:59 pm

      Earl,

      Here are a few reasons why I don’t think that Shaul’s (Paul’s) Gospel did away with Torah observance.

      1) Kepha (Peter) said Shaul didn’t

      2Kepha(Peter)3:15 And count the patience of our Master as salvation, just as our beloved brother Shaul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. 18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Master and Savior Yeshua HaMashiach. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

      The first thing we see in this passage is that our salvation only comes from the patience of Yeshua. Obviously Kepha is talking about His death on the cross. Second, we notice that this is what Shaul was teaching in his letters. The third thing we see is that there are some things in Shaul’s letters that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. And finally we see that Kepha warns us how these ignorant people, are twisting Shaul’s writings. He simply calls them lawless. Here we have Kepha himself telling us not to listen to people that teach that Shaul taught not to keep the Torah! Kepha makes it clear that whatever you get out of Shaul’s letters you can’t get that you do not have to keep the Torah without being ignorant and/or unstable. Sadly most of Christianity just ignores Kepha’s warning, marching on blindly with Shaul remade into their own image of lawlessness.

      2) There is a saying. Talk is cheap. Apparently the Believers in Jerusalem had a similar saying because when they heard rumors spread about Shaul teaching not to keep the Torah they confronted him about it. And made him put his true belief and teachings into action.

      Acts21:18 And the day following Shaul went in with us unto Yaakov; and all the elders were present.
      19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things Elohim had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry.
      20 And when they heard it, they glorified YHWH, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the Torah:
      21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moshe, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.
      22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.
      23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;
      24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the Torah.
      25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.
      26 Then Shaul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

      Here we see that there were thousands of Jewish believers in Yeshua, and that they ALL were zealous for the Torah. We also see that there were rumors about Shaul. Specifically that he was teaching the Jews in the diaspora not to circumcise their sons, nor to keep the Torah. Sounds like what most of Christianity teaches today. Lastly we see that these rumors are false and that Shaul himself keeps the Torah! He proves his devotion to the Torah by going to the temple and fulfilling a strictly ceremonial aspect of the Torah! Showing that not just the moral but ceremonial aspects of Torah still apply after the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Yeshua! And the pouring out of the Ruach HaQodesh! Now some people admit that this passage proves that the Torah still applies to Believers with Israelite ancestry, but (because of verse twenty five) they insist that Gentile Believers are different and only those four commands of Torah would apply to them. By the way three of the four commands are dietary in nature clearly putting them in the ceremonial part of Torah. If it is true that only these four apply to Gentile Believers, what about the greatest and second greatest commandments? Do they not apply to Gentile Believers? What about murder, or lying, or stealing? If this passage is to be interpreted to mean that only those four commands apply to Gentile Believers what of the ten commandments? Do they not apply to Gentile Believers?

      3) I find it hard to believe that YHWH would give us the Torah through Moshe only to take it away through Shaul just to give it to us all over again in the thousand year reign of Yeshua.

      Yeshayahu(Isaiah)66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Shabbat to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith YHWH.

      Notice during the thousand year reign how everyone will be keeping Shabbat and New Moon both Jew and Gentile.

      Yeshayahu66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine’s flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith YHWH.

      Here we see that those that eat swines flesh will be punished.

      Zacharyahu(Zechariah)16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, YHWH of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
      17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, YHWH of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
      18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
      19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
      20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, Holiness Unto YHWH; and the pots in YHWH’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
      21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto YHWH of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of YHWH of hosts.

      Here we have YHWH punishing any Gentiles who do not keep the feast of Tabernacles in the thousand year reign. And it also mentions sacrifices. So if Shaul really taught that Gentiles or believers or anyone does not have to keep Torah he disagreed with the Prophets and even YHWH Himself. I don’t think there is anyway that Shaul would disagree with YHWH or any of His prophets. So I have only two choices.

      1) Shaul was just painfully ignorant of the Hebrew Scriptures.
      or
      2) He did not teach what most of Christianity says he did, regarding Torah.

      I’m firmly in the second camp. In part of your comment you say that the two greatest commandments are all that you think is required for righteous living. Apparently the Jerusalem council disagrees with you. Why else would they add four more commands? Read Acts 15 again. The first thing you will notice is that there were people teaching that the Gentiles had to be circumcised and keep the Torah of Moshe to be SAVED. Shaul and Barnaba strongly disagreed with this teaching. As do I! So it was decided that They would go to the Apostles and Elders in Yerushalaim for a ruling on the issue. There Kepha makes the argument that the only way both Jewish and Gentile hearts can be purified is through faith. And that the only way to be saved is through the grace of the Master Yeshua HaMashiach! Then Yaakov confirmed that Shimon Kepha was correct. He then decided that the Gentiles coming to faith should keep these four commands. But the verse that people tend to skip is verse twenty one. “For Moshe of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Shabbat day.” Why would Yaakov say that? He was making the point that the Gentiles coming to faith and that are keeping these four commands will not stop there but will continue to grow and even go to synagogue on Shabbat and learn the rest of the Torah. The issue was never about if Gentile Believers should keep Torah or not. The issue was do they need to keep the Torah to be saved. The answer to that question is, absolutely not! In summary, it is a fine line between teaching not to keep Torah period. And teaching not to keep Torah for Salvation. It is my belief that Shaul taught the latter, not the former.

      Shalom

    12. Earl Click
      March 19th, 2013 @ 10:22 am

      You said:
      1.”And finally we see that Kepha warns us how these ignorant people, are twisting Shaul’s writings. He simply calls them lawless. Here we have Kepha himself telling us not to listen to people that teach that Shaul taught not to keep the Torah! ”
      It is a common ploy in debate for people to take Paul’s words as seen here in Peter and use them as if all who disagree with their particular view are guilty of that very thing Peter warns against. The implication that in your eyes the one with the opposing view is ignorant by reason of disagreement as in having a counter argument is unavoidable. Do you really know what specific writings of Paul are being considered when Peter wrote this?
      The Word says if you walk in love you fulfill the Law. I still cannot figure out how all the Torah teachers can find justification for discarding this Law and keeping that one picking and choosing as they see fit. Working hard to please God they make out their own pet schedule of do’s and don’ts and always with the knowledge that some of them are impossible to keep. Do you really believe that is what Paul taught the gentile nations? That same confusing impossible to keep group of six hundred plus laws that all the apostles knew as being a terrible yoke to bear? What have the rabbinical rabbis achieved now, 9000 more additions to it is one number I heard, as they try and ever more become perfect through rules and regulations. The Law is a single entity. To break even one commandment is breaking them all. It is a useless gesture to try and keep the Law. Indeed it is foolishness. As Paul stated clearly for us in Galatians chapter 3. Indeed he even went so far as to call it a form of bewitching.
      Here is the reward for altering God’s word for the Law keepers.
      ““But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the LORD your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:” (Deuteronomy 28:15, NKJV)
      Observe CAREFULLY ALL or cursed forever.

      Also I made mention of the Acts 15 commands right from the get go.
      I suppose in your scriptural view I am nothing but a heathen but Jesus accepts me. Acts 15 and love is what Holy Spirit said I am to do and in doing this He has stated I am doing well. You go and tell Him you disagree, but as for me, well I am just going to keep sharing the Gospel that Paul preached.
      It is finished. The Law was sent as a TUTOR to lead men to Christ.
      Paul said his gospel was not something that arose from the teaching he received from men such as Gamaliel “For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.” (Galatians 1:12, NKJV)

      This is a clear statement that what he taught was different than what was taught prior to this encounter and is the basis for Paul calling his Gospel…his Gospel! It is why he submitted it to the council of Jerusalem, he was concerned that perhaps he was running in vain. They approved as did Holy Spirit and gave him the right hand of fellowship. The question of circumcision was taken to Jerusalem but they responded to more than that. They took the root of its problem, Law observance, and exposed it to fresh air. The whole Law was then summed up in 4 commands for the gentiles. THAT is all I am required to keep.

    13. Bo
      March 20th, 2013 @ 8:36 am

      Earl,

      So you can murder but you must not eat things that are strangled? Really? Only those 4 things? What about the woman’s head covering in 1 Corinthians 10? What about not muzzling the ox in 1 Corinthians 9? What about Women keeping silence in 1 Corinthians 14? What about keeping the feast of unleavened bread in 1 Corinthians 5? What about the man not touching a woman in 1 Corinthians 7?

      Now that is just what I remembered out 1 Corinthians in the time it took me to write it. So are there just 4 things plus 5 more in 1 Corinthians? What about the other epistles? And what about the writings of John?

      1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
      4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

      1 John 3
      4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
      5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
      6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
      7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

      Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

      Re 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

      What if you are not a gentile any more and you have been grafted into Israel?

      Nu 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

      Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
      6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
      7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

      Ephesians 2
      10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
      11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
      12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world…
      19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

      Those good works that we were created for are found where? In What Paul and Y’shua called holy scripture…the law and the prophets. Those scriptures make us wise unto salvation. They tell us how to live righteously and keep us believing the right doctrine.

      2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
      16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
      17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

      I could go on, but I am strapped for time.

      Shalom

    14. Bill Follupa
      March 20th, 2013 @ 9:06 am

      Any man who seeks God and Christ as their enjoyment/reward in this life [the “end” he seeks to arrive to] can “do” [“means”] no wrong; instead, that man’s every “motion” [“means”] is “justifiable” and designated “lawful” (“…against which there is no Law”).

      “The end justifies the means.”

      😉

    15. Earl Click
      March 20th, 2013 @ 9:52 am

      You people sure like twisting around what I say even taking it out of context willfully is my perception. I understand why though, your scared.

      Is murder walking in love? Of course not. It violates the 2nd commandment of loving your neighbor as yourself.
      I’m done here.
      REALLY.

    16. Bill Follupa
      March 20th, 2013 @ 11:51 am

      Earl Click,
      I didn’t mean to twist your words. I agree with you.

    17. Dr Michael L Brown
      March 20th, 2013 @ 12:52 pm

      Hey folks, please stay on topic here, OK? This is NOT yet another thread to debate the applicability of the Torah to believers today, even though it relates mildly to our topic. That comes up enough in other threads and it will NOT be the dominant theme here. Thanks!

    18. Bill Follupa
      March 20th, 2013 @ 1:06 pm

      Amen.

    19. Barrett
      March 20th, 2013 @ 1:27 pm

      Everyone,

      This thread is about the dangers of sin. All I’m trying to say is that sin is transgressing the Torah. 1John3:4. So I beg you brothers go and sin no more.

      Shalom

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