The Israel Debate

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Dr. Brown debates Steve Wohlberg on the meaning of Israel in the New Testament. Does it refer to the physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, or does it refer to a spiritual entity only? Listen live here 2-4 pm EST, and call into the show at  (866) 348 7884  with your questions and comments.


Hour 1:

Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: God is utterly trustworthy and He who promised to scatter Israel to the nations is the same God who has re-gathered Israel from the nations and who will bring Jewish people to repentance and faith in Jesus the Messiah.


Hour 2:

Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: Jesus will not return until a Jewish Jerusalem welcomes Him back.  God will keep His people, God will restore Jerusalem, and God will restore Israel!



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  1. For the record – Dr. Brown brought up a good point – that national Israel (or a remnant thereof) will be preserved without condition. I think it is important, though, that the “sand of the sea and stars of the sea” are not necessarily a national promise (but acknowledge that it could be…just working through this).

    Preservation MUST be unconditional (at least to some degree…not all the wicked in Israel were cut off) – Isaiah 1:9, I think, makes that clear.

  2. Michael, I think you made it abundantly clear that the Bible shows ‘God is not through with the Jew’. It seems to me that Scripture is very clear on this point and that Bible prophecy revolves around Israel like the earth around the sun. What troubles me is that Wohlberg spends a lot of time and energy cherry picking the verses that he can somehow use to fit his dogma whilst ignoring those that clearly show he is in error. Is this not the work of a deceiver? Is this not wilful in it’s intent and is not its fruit destructive? Can anything constructive come from his message? If not, what is the point of ‘preaching’ it? It doesn’t build up or edify believers. If anything, it evokes judgmentalism and spiritual pride. If Wohlberg believes that this is a truly worthy way to ‘minister’, shouldn’t he be looking for another profession?
    If Jesus (the great high priest and intercessor) cried out “Father forgive them”, not to mention ‘whatever you ask IN MY NAME you shall receive’ and ‘Father I know that you ALWAYS hear Me’, can’t we be reasonably confident that He was praying in the will of God?
    I think you are a more gracious man than I Michael. I’m not sure that I could extend the fair mindedness and even-handedness towards a supposed ‘feeder of the flock’ that you showed to Wohlberg. Great job, but somehow, I think your efforts will be valued more by people who genuinely seek truth than by Wohlberg himself… I mean, why let sound doctrine get in the way of a fierce and destructive dogma… right?

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