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    November 23, 2010 | 245 Comments

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    245 Responses to “Why Do Some People Backslide?”

    1. Jabez H.
      December 4th, 2010 @ 5:53 pm

      Bo, Leaving out the reformation as representing a clear repentance in church history is a case in point on apprehension.

    2. Ruth
      December 4th, 2010 @ 6:31 pm

      Ms. Fraser, when I wrote, “need it” I meant the Sabbatical, i.e., the TIME — for, of course, rest and extra closeness with Him.

      By the way, I have utterly no need to prove myself to you. From the beginning of your entrance on the Line of Fire, you obviously feel the need to repeatedly question my faith and even my Salvation.

      What what I’ve read, you have not proved your arguments against keeping the Sabbath, so perhaps you are compensating for that by casting personal aspersions.

      Earlier, you made the claim that you are “sensitive.” But from what I’ve read, I have to wonder if your sensitivity is actually focused only on your own feelings. If people agree with you, they receive your blessing. If not, you can sound harsh, judgmental, and even demeaning. I would consider that to be more a case of “touchiness” as opposed to “sensitivity.”

    3. Debbie Fraser
      December 4th, 2010 @ 6:40 pm

      I speak the truth. Sharper then a 2 edge sword.

      Hitting a nerve, huh Ruth!!! Wondering why?

    4. Debbie Fraser
      December 4th, 2010 @ 6:43 pm

      I’m not questioning your faith. That is being paranoid. Maybe it is you questioning your faith.

    5. Debbie Fraser
      December 4th, 2010 @ 6:58 pm

      I am very, very sensitive in the spirit realm. I’m sensing strongly right now that you have a “spirit of anger” in you. Bitterness too. Not judging just observing.

    6. Ruth
      December 4th, 2010 @ 7:45 pm

      Funny, that’s what I read from you.

    7. Ruth
      December 4th, 2010 @ 7:49 pm

      Since you’ve decided to “debate” in this emotionalistic manner, believing yourself incapable of error, imagining all your thoughts to be from the Lord Himself, I am thenceforth disengaging from further responses to your posts.

      But I wish you peace and Love anyway…

    8. Debbie Fraser
      December 4th, 2010 @ 8:03 pm

      Why would I have anger in me? I’m not angry about anything. I didn’t snap, you did.

      If you had peace in you, what I said …
      “Do you need “it” or Him?” wouldn’t of bothered you.

      If that was said to me, I world of reacted… Oh yeah, your right, LOL.

    9. Jabez H.
      December 4th, 2010 @ 8:17 pm

      Sisters, Our discussions on backsliding seemed to have digressed to something else.

      Anger is an emotion, not a sin, unless it gets into the realm of assignment of cause, as a component of assignment. No one “makes us angry”, for the emotion is inherent. Even Jesus was angered on occasion, as to indignation, frustration, but not as to resentment at all. There is a fine line on the emotion taking charge of the capacity to think issues and matters through.

      All of us feel our feelings, that is not a sin, unless following the path to resentment, and murder. Jesus talked of lust in hearts being the same as adultery. So, please tred cautiously ahead. Accept one another, with unity on the essentials, and diversity on the unessentials.

      Which day one observes, with an honoring of the Lord, is not wrong or right, but a matter of devotion and conviction for observance, as such.

      I wrote in the past, that due to ministry commitments, I observe both days, but I preach neither, it is a matter, as Paul writes in Rom 14, of being convinced in our hearts and minds, and honoring Christ.

      There is little need to take on one another, defend our being, or our responses on this site. There is a need to EXPLORE topics and quesion all of their assumptions, assertions, and presumptions made by any of us. This is healthy.

      We really have no way to know the heart of anyone, unless having a long acquaintance, and, even then, we should follow the path of later Mt. 18 in matters of offense. It is not offensive to be angry, or not, it can be if it becomes an assigning anger, of a conflicting spirit, crossing the Lord’s command to love one another.

      Please forgive one another, as to “disputable matters”, and me, as necessary, and continue in fellowship here on Topic.

    10. Ruth
      December 4th, 2010 @ 8:41 pm

      Jabez, I can easily forgive what I consider to be my sister’s false, accusatory tone (yet again), but I don’t see a reason to continue engaging, based on what I perceive to be certain tendencies there, and I’m happy with that decision.

      We do eventualy learn from life’s experiences, and I’ve learned that there is a kind of communication which will remain draining and unprofitable.

      But yes — forgiven, definitely.

    11. Ruth
      December 4th, 2010 @ 8:42 pm

      And as I mentioned, I’ll resume discussion of the topic on another, more appropriate thread.

    12. Debbie Fraser
      December 4th, 2010 @ 8:46 pm

      I wasn’t talking about anger as being a sin Jabez. I was talking more on the term of deliverance.

      To react that way just because I posted…
      Do you need “it” or Him?

      Why get mad at that? I don’t get it.

      Besides what did the Sabbath Day have to do with anything I said. Never mentioned talk about that.

      I can clearly see how the devil works.

    13. Jabez H.
      December 4th, 2010 @ 8:46 pm

      Ruth, I understood what you said about your sabbath day, rest, etc. Amen.

    14. Jabez H.
      December 4th, 2010 @ 8:51 pm

      Debbie, I do not read a reaction in the first response of Ruth to your unnecessary remark. And I have no way of knowing who may have been angry at all. As for your deliverance remark, I feel it was unwarranted due to the discussion as it happened. None of us are the barameter of the Holy Spirit, we either are responding from Christ in us or from personality. We hope that our personal expressions are tempered by truth and grace, Christ in us, admoinishions to love one another, and the Way of Mt. 18 in all our differences, as such.

    15. Jabez H.
      December 4th, 2010 @ 8:57 pm

      On perspectives on backsliding. From what , to what? This is the topic of consideration here.

    16. Debbie Fraser
      December 4th, 2010 @ 9:18 pm

      Wow! This is really scary now. I can understand why Sheila wanted to leave this place.

      I am done with fellowshipping here.

      Dr Brown,
      It has been a pleasure chatting with you from time to time on the radio. May the Lord continue to use you and bless you. You truly are a man of God.

      I do not feel at peace with some of these people.

    17. Ruth
      December 4th, 2010 @ 9:20 pm

      I appreciate your understanding, Jabez.

      The topic is definitely backsliding.

      I meant I would explore Romans 7-8 on another thread, since it deals with matters of the Law and sin. While I do actually think those to be appropriate to a discussion on why people might backslide, I recognize, as others have already suggested, that earlier threads have dealt with the Law and sin, and so I felt those would be the place to examine Romans 7-8 –> Referring to your question to me on your post #109. I read it (Romans 7-8) recently again, and it is definitely rich for that subject.

    18. Jabez H.
      December 4th, 2010 @ 9:51 pm

      Debbie, I request that you read and consider what I wrote, and not exit. I do not believe I was not responding in peace, or extending His peace when responding. It was simply unnecessary to create a false dychotomy between Ruth’s choice to inform me of her need to take her chosen Sabbath rest, and the Lord, they are compatable and not at odds with one another.

      I have shared in past remarks why I observe both a Friday PM commitment and a Sunday commitment. Jesus was not anti-sabbath keeping, nor was the early church, Paul observed it in Acts 21 when keeping vows under the law in Jersalem. In fact the church at Jerusalem initially met in the Courts of the Temple, prior to being persecuted later by the official structures Jews of Jerusalem. There is too considerable evidence in Acts of gathering on Sunday, the Lord’s Day. This was after the Acts 15 Council, and likely after writing Galations, Romans, etc. For sure, after writing Galations, where Paul remarks on the sufficiency of Christ, and not needing to observe the law of Moses. The Ten Commandments were actually attributed to the writing of the “finger of God” in the Torah, hence, can be separated from what Moses then gave as being his law. They are the Law of the Sinai Covenant, given to the Jewish traveling nation at the time, and later located for observation in the Land of Promise. Please understand that I am not insisting here on Sabbath keeping, but on honoring Christ in whatever days, day, etc. you chose to keep under the freedom we have in Christ.

      Debbie, he Himself is our peace, our unifying reality, and propitiation from sin. He is the Lord of the Sabbath, and the Lord of heaven, as such. You have written twice now on what you “feel”, scriputre admonishes us to reform our minds, and have the mind of scripture, of Christ so formed.

      In the past you asked if Bo spoke in “the heavenly language,” to which he responded yes. Mormons claim to, I claim to, Dr. Brown claims to: do you notice anything here as to using this as a bottom line for discernment? We are told to renew our minds with the written Word, and that tongues has a fellowship prophetic context, and a prayer and praise language context, again, in scripture.

      You are safe to share on this forum, but not safe to always assume that what anyone “feels” is the barometer of faith, hope, and love–as given by Jesus the Christ. He is the essence of the Message of the Kingdom, and He clarified how the Spirit works in John 13:13 through early chapter 16. Paul wrote of how the gifts work in Ephesians, Romans and Corinthians: as to order, edification, and truth in graceful application.

      I do not know many backgrounds of many here, but I do know as a person and an elder when to remark on assumptions, assignments, and emotions–when these are being heeded over the Word and the grace of scripture. Ruth is not outside the bonds of fellowship in her choice of Sabbath (Saturday, current international calendar) observance, and I am not outside the bonds of extending my hand to you in fellowship, nor my carefully selected words of admonishion, or rebuke, when given.

      I would reuest that you ponder the words I wrote to you, bring them before good counsel in your present affiliations in Christ, including print these out, with this one, prior to reacting and withdrawing. We all grow and change as a result of our fellowship interchanges over time, of respecting the written word, and so forth. The writings of the Apostles, not the utterances in tongues, are what the converts in Acts studied and received as anointed teaching.

      There are today new “disputable matters” in present Churches arenas, but the Body of Christ remains indivisible in Him. You are loved here, not rejected. If you wish to understand Ruth’s written choices, I would be happy to mediate these for your understanding. I understood them, and responded as I have. Your remark on it or Him was flippant, unneeded, and unrequired of the blog interactions here. Perhaps Ruth may have restrained her own blanket assessment of all your posts to offer a climate of peacemaking in the process of reading them over. Perhaps that too was unnecessary here.

    19. Jabez H.
      December 4th, 2010 @ 9:55 pm

      Also, Debbie, Sheila, Ruth, Tom, Bo, others and I continue to interchange here, when agreeing and not so, because of commitment to civil interchange according to the posted rules of this blog. When those rules seem crossed, someone sometime, will make such comments as I have and others have.
      STICK WITH IT AND WE WILL GROW. BUILD ONE ANOTHER UP AND HE WILL BE IN THE MIX.

    20. Bo
      December 4th, 2010 @ 11:46 pm

      Jabez H.,

      You wrote:
      “Bo, Leaving out the reformation as representing a clear repentance in church history is a case in point on apprehension.”

      I do not leave it out…it is as I say.

      The established church failed to repent. Individuals did, and started anew in the renewed truth. They ended up staring assemblies that became denominations in need of repentance…on and on.

      Shalom

    21. Jabez H.
      December 5th, 2010 @ 5:23 am

      Actually Bo, the Catholic Church went through considerable repentance as a result of the Reformation losses it experienced. Check the books.

    22. Sheila
      December 5th, 2010 @ 9:41 am

      Was I not example enough of “instant” backsliding?!

      Please don’t leave this blog site, Debbie. It’s a very dry desert and a waste howling wilderness out there in the blogofsphere. You were the first to call me back. I’ve not been following along in many discussions lately, but, I see where things have degenerated into clashes, which may only be people being themselves. Let’s remember we are each at a different level in our studies and understanding of the Word. Please let’s not forsake anyone. Some are more knowledgeable than others, but, we still need all the parts of the Body to remain “in the Body of Christ”.

      Forgive one another, please, for the Lord’s sake, restore your brothers and sisters in the right way.

      With Love for All of You, in Christ.

    23. Sheila
      December 5th, 2010 @ 10:02 am

      I do see where talk about the law has showed up, whether about backsliding or not, and I was guilty of it myself. It should probably resume under “Is the Mosaic Covenant eternal or not?”. But, be prepared to read “a book” before you are up to speed in the discussion there.

      I was able to watch a wonderful sermon from Charles Price this morning. His show is “Living Truth” from Canada and aired on the NRB network. Of all things, he was talking about the ten commandments. If you can watch it, it would be well worth it.

    24. Bo
      December 5th, 2010 @ 11:14 am

      Jabez H.,

      So you think that the Catholic church is correct in it’s doctrine? You think that they do not idolize Mary? You think that their version of salvation by sacraments administered by the church is right? Purgatory? Apostolic succession? Papal infallibility? You like their icons/idols? Think a mandatory celibate priesthood is scriptural?

      You would quit your current church and go there with no thought of that your were compromising the truth?

      Seems like one to come out of to me.

      Shalom.

    25. Sheila
      December 5th, 2010 @ 12:34 pm

      I’m just curious, Bo, did you study in a Yeshiva?

    26. Dr. Michael L. Brown
      December 5th, 2010 @ 12:56 pm

      Everybody, one final reminder: 1) This is the place to share comments and thoughts about what is discussed on each show; 2) This is not the place to use as a platform to introduce your own particular teachings or beliefs (except as it relates directly to the topic at hand). 3) This is not the place to comment on each other.

      Thanks for complying!

    27. Jabez H.
      December 5th, 2010 @ 2:07 pm

      Bo, I do not support many assumptive doctrines of the Catholic Church, however, I am aware of its place in history. I hold some respect of its understanding of the value of contemplative disciplines, as to present day applications crossing denominiational barriers.

      Also, when John commented on what seems to be Rome, in the Revelation, we have to recall that Emperor worship was its doctrine at the time of John’s writing. What is Babylon then becomes not so clear as a mere cycle of false doctrine and church histories. Many have made the obvious connection between mammon and what John recorded as Babylon.

    28. Bo
      December 5th, 2010 @ 2:20 pm

      Jabez H.,

      The point is that the established church had backsliden. The organization did not repent. Lots of people repented and came out. This has happened throughout church history with other established churches doing the same as Rome. The backsliding of today can be the same…non-repenting establishments dragging their members down with them. Coming out is usually the only way to escape.

      Shalom

    29. Jabez H.
      December 5th, 2010 @ 2:35 pm

      Bo, This would depend upon how one discerned repentance, the C. Church did organizationally address some real issues in its face as a result of the Reformation, however, still deluded as to it being the only “universal” church, and as to some of the doctrinal matters you mentioned. As we have difficulty knowing all the hearts involved, we still have to recall there are many fine believers of record over time affiliated with that Church.

    30. Bo
      December 5th, 2010 @ 5:10 pm

      Jabez H.,

      You can never concede a point, can you? I know that there are many fine believers in just about any church. That still does not make the organization not backslidden. It still does not negate the fact that these organizations produce or maintain backslidden believers. It is still the correct thing to come out of apostasy.

      Shalom

    31. Jabez H.
      December 5th, 2010 @ 5:57 pm

      According to what measuring stick?

    32. Jabez H.
      December 5th, 2010 @ 6:14 pm

      Just curious, Bo, did you see Dr. Brown’s piece on the site in another thread, on whether the Mosaic covenant is eternal? Shall the measuring stick be measured by sin or by faith?

    33. Jabez H.
      December 5th, 2010 @ 9:53 pm

      Jesus commented on the Spirit convicting regarding sin, righteousness, and judgment. It is most interesting how he expanded on these, all in reference to Him. So, backsliding must be viewed in that regard in present Covenant considerations.

    34. Bo
      December 6th, 2010 @ 12:15 am

      Jabez H.,

      Whatever you do…never concede even the smallest point.

      Backsliding is what it is…and what ever it is, it is failing to live up to what one knows is right. The cares of this life, even if they are churchy cares, can cause us to backslide.

      Shalom

    35. Jabez H.
      December 6th, 2010 @ 11:24 am

      Re: #127; I’m uncertain what you are advocating I “concede”? Church history is pretty clear on the matter of how the Reformation affected the C. Church thereafter having organizational meetings regarding the repentance mentioned to change their approach at the time. If you need the reference I can find it for you.

    36. Jabez H.
      December 6th, 2010 @ 11:25 am

      “churcy cares”?

    37. Ruth
      December 6th, 2010 @ 2:41 pm

      Isn’t this amazing?

      [and on topic]

      Luke 15:10
      “Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” (NKJV)

    38. Ruth
      December 6th, 2010 @ 2:43 pm

      “joy in the presence of the angels of God over one” !!!

      Sweet, sweet love of God

    39. Jabez H.
      December 6th, 2010 @ 3:01 pm

      Ruth, So, we’d best keep our confession to Him current, you think?

    40. Ruth
      December 7th, 2010 @ 1:11 pm

      Absolutely, moment to moment. Or did I misunderstand your question?

    41. Jabez H.
      December 13th, 2010 @ 4:21 pm

      Ruth, no misunderstanding. Right on.

    42. Daniel
      December 16th, 2010 @ 12:12 pm

      Laziness

      I can’t tell you about anyone else; but, I can speak for myself.

      Also, the requirement/discipline/work of having hope. I don’t like having hope, because I don’t like the hope being let down; but I have no choice but to have hope if I wish to “tell the Truth”… and that narrow pathway is not easy to be on:

      “what? work, AND be happy?”

      I’m used to doing things out of fear; not love or goodness.

      It is when that narrow pathway, and the urgency of reality – when something will be expected of me – that scares me away; because I am afraid I cannot fulfill those hopes, no matter what those expectations of me are. It makes me not even want to have anything to do with the situation for which expectations are being put upon me… not sure if it is laziness ALONE, or… i don’t know…

    43. Daniel
      December 16th, 2010 @ 12:18 pm

      It all boils down to: DISOBEDIENCE.

      Not wanting to work mercy and love (the light burden of the Lord), for fear of being hurt.

      I can’t know everything God wants beforehand, but if I would just keep that ONE THING in mind – OBEY HIM! – I would have lived as I ought to have…

      I think that one thing: when God has expectation of me to fulfill a PRECISE thing…

    44. Robert. A
      May 9th, 2011 @ 10:56 am

      “Warning to backsliders”
      Prov. 14:14.The backslider in heart shall be filled with his own ways:
      and [but]a good man shall be satisfied from himself [that is, from above himself].
      Prov.1:29-31; 12:15; Prov. 13:2, 18:20
      29. For that they hated knowledge [i.e. the ground-rules of wisdom], and did not choose the fear [or reverential awe] of the Lord:
      30. They would [have] none of my reproof.
      31. Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
      32. For the turning away [i.e. the waywardness, thus, the backsliding] of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity [or complacency] of fools shall destroy them.
      33. But whoso hearkens [and listen] to me shall dwell safely, and shall be quite [that is, they shall be secure and at ease] from fear of evil.
      Thus saith the LORD,
      Jer. 8:5, 6, 8-12
      Why then is this people of Jerusalem [even, New Spiritual Jerusalem] slidden back by a perpetual [or, unremitting] backsliding? [Because]
      they hold fast deceit [or rather, to deceit], they refuse to return.
      6. I hearkened [or listened to them] and heard, but they spoke not aright [or rather, upright]: no man [i.e. none of them] repented him of his wickedness, saying, “What have I done?” Every one [else] turned to his [own] course, as the horse rushes into the battle.
      8. How do [or rather, can] you say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain [i.e. the false pen of the scribe i.e. writers of the Word of God] certainly works falsehood] .
      9. The wise men are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken: lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?
      10. Therefore will I give their wives unto others, and their fields to them that shall inherit them: for every one from the least even unto the greatest is given to covetousness, from the prophet even unto the priest every one deals falsely.
      11. For they have healed [Lit. crushing] the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly [i.e. Superficially], saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
      12. Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation [i.e. punishment] they shall be cast down, says the LORD.
      Heb 2:1-3
      1. THEREFORE
      1. we aught to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip [drift away, or slide].
      2. For if the word spoken by angels was steadfast [and unwavering], and every transgression and disobedience received
      a just recompense [Or penalty] of reward;
      3. How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard [or rather, that listened to] him;
      2 Pet. 2:20.
      For after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, [but] they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
      John 15:5.
      I am the vine, you are the branches: He that abides in me, and I in Him,
      the same brings forth and produces much fruit:
      for without me you can do, [accomplish or profit]
      nothing.
      cr. John 5:14.
      [thus, Behold, you have been made whole
      [i.e you have been completely healed, completely set free, completely cleansed
      and redeemed of your past sins]:
      sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto you.
      2 Pet. 21-22.
      For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
      22. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb,
      THE DOG IS TURNED (That is to say, the dog RETURNS) TO HIS OWN VOMIT AGAIN;
      and so does the sow [or female hog] that was washed [returns] to her wallowing in the mire [or mud].
      Prov. 26:11. As a dog returns to his vomit, so [or in the same manner], a fool returns to (or repeats) his folly [foolishness and recklessness].
      Thus saith the Lord; As it is written,
      John 17:12.
      While I was with them in the world, I kept them in your name: those that you gave me I have kept, and none of them is lost [or destroyed], but [except for] the son [or child] of perdition [and destruction]; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
      As it is also written,
      Heb. 2:13. And again, I WILL PUT MY TRUST IN HIM. And again, BEHOLD I AND THE CHILDREN WHICH GOD HAS GIVEN ME.
      As it is also written,
      1 John 2:19.
      They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest [i.e. exposed and brought into the light] that they were not all (none of them were) of us.
      As it is written,
      cr. John 6:66, 67, 68, 69, 70
      From that time many of his disciples went back [i.e. they backslid and fell away], and walked no more with him.
      Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will you also [or do you also want to] go away?
      T h e n S i m o n P e t e r
      answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
      And we believe and are sure [we Lit. know] that you are that Christ, the Son of the living God.
      J e s u s a n s w e r e d t h e m ,
      Have not I chosen you twelve, and [yet] one of you is a devil?
      Ps. 41:9-10
      Y e s, m i n e o w n f a m i l i a r
      friend [of whom he also called friend from the moment when you first believed], in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread [i.e. who did partake of my good word], has [now] lifted up his heel against me
      [that is to say, Acted as a traitor against Me].
      But you, O LORD, be merciful unto me, and raise me up, that I may requite [and repay] them.
      Ps. 109:6-7
      Set you a wicked man over them: and let Satan
      [i.e. the accuser]
      stand at their right hand. When they shall be judged let him be condemned
      [and found guilty]:
      let their prayer become sin.

      He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

      He who causes the righteious to go astray in an evil way, he shall fall himself into his own pit: but the upright shall have [and inherit] good things in possession.
      Heb. 2:14, 15, 18.
      Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of the flesh and blood, he also himself [namely, Jesus] likewise took part [i.e. shared] of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death that is, the devil;
      A n d d e l i v e r t h e m w h o
      through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to [and under] bondage
      [that is to say, slaves to sin].
      For in that he himself has suffered being tempted [tried and tested], he is able to succor [and aid] them that are also tempted.
      As it is written,
      1 Cor. 10:12-13.
      Wherefore let him that thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. Therefore has no temptation taken [or overtaken] you except such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer [or allow] you to be tempted [i.e. tested or enticed] above that [which] you are able [to resist]; but [he] will with [or in the midst of your] temptation also make a way for you to escape that you may be able to bear [endure, and not succumb to it]
      Ps. 125:3
      For the rod of the wicked [or scepter of wickedness] shall not rest upon the lot [or the land that is allotted to righteous; lest [or unless] the righteous put forth [or reach out] their hands unto [i.e. willingly partake in] iniquity [i.e. he willfully partakes in sinful acts].
      cr. James 1:13-15
      13. Let no man say when he is tempted [i.e. tested], “I am tempted of [Or because of] God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempts he himself any man:
      14. But every man is tempted [i.e. he becomes enticed], when he is drawn away of
      [or by] his own lust [i.e. one’s own fleshly desires], and [then he is] enticed.
      15. Then when lust [namely, the strongly perverse desires of the flesh] has conceived [i.e. has been established in their own hearts], it brings forth [or rather, it eventually gives birth to] sin: and sin, when it is finished [or full-grown], brings forth death
      [spiritually and often times literally].
      As it is written,
      cr. Job. 15:35.
      35. They conceive mischief [i.e. evil and calamity], and bring forth vanity
      [namely, pride and conceit], and their belly [or womb] prepares deceit.
      cr. Rom. 1:18-22.
      18. But the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of the men, who hold [Or suppress] the truth in unrighteousness.
      19. Because that which may be k n o w n o f [Or f r o m] G o d i s m a n i f e s t e d [Or e v i d e n t] i n t h e m;
      for God has shown it unto them.
      20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made [including man], even
      [Or which is] his eternal power and God-head; so that they are without excuse:
      21. Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were they thankful; but became vain
      [i.e. conceited, apotheosized, idol worshippers of material things] in [Or because of]
      their imaginations
      [i.e. perverse thoughts], and their foolish heart was darkened.
      Eccl. 8:11. [But] Because [the] sentence [or the exaction of punishment] against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons [i.e. children] of men is fully set in them to do [or to continue to do] evil.
      2 Pet. 3:7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13
      7. But the heavens and the earth, which are now [or that we now live in], by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against (or until) the day of judgment and perdition (and destruction) of ungodly men [i.e. people].
      8. But, Beloved, Be not ignorant of this one thing. that one day is with the Lord a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
      9. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but [he] is long-suffering to us-ward [or towards us], not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
      10. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works [or deeds] that are therein shall be burned up.
      11. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in all holy conversation (and or conduct) and godliness,
      12. Looking for and hasting (or rather, hastening) unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
      13. Nevertheless we, according to his promise, Look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness.
      Heb 2:3. How shall we escape, if we neglect so great [a] salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
      Matt 22:14
      “For many are called, but few are chosen”.
      Rom. 8:30. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called:
      and whom he called, them he also justified [thus, declaring their righteousness]:
      and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
      1 Pet. 2:9-17. But [i.e. And] you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar [or rather, his own special] people; that you should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of d a r k n e s s i n t o h i s m a r v e l o u s light.
      10. Which in times past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
      1 Pet. 2:11-17.
      Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers [i.e. travelers] and pilgrims [namely, The Body of Christ], abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
      12. Having your conversation [and conduct] honest [and honorable] among the Gentiles [namely, the nation at large]: that, whereas they speak against you as evil doers, [but instead] they may by your good works, which they shall observe, glorify God in the day of visitation.
      13. Submit yourselves to every ordinance [or institution] of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
      14. Or unto governments, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evil doers, and
      for the praise of them that do well.
      15. For so is the will of God, that with well doing you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

      16. As free, but not using your liberty for a cloak of maliciousness [evil, that is], but as the servants of God.
      17. Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king [and or the president].
      James 4:10. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, then He shall lift you up.
      Rom. 6:17. But God be thanked, that [though] you were [once] servants [or slaves] of sin, but you have [since then] obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered [i.e. to which you were entrusted]
      1 John 3:22-24
      22. And [then] whatsoever we ask, we [will] receive of [or from] him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
      23. And this is the commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment [or commanded us to do].
      24. And he that keeps his commandments dwells in him, and he in them. And hereby we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit which he has given us.
      24. And he that keeps his commandments dwells in him and he in him, And hereby we know that he abides in us, by [i.e. by way of] the Spirit which he has given us.
      As it is written,
      Rom. 8:35-37.
      35. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness [or lack of clothing], or peril, or sword?
      36. As it is written, FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE KILLED ALL THE DAY LONG; WE ARE ACCOUNTED AS SHEEP FOR THE SLAUGHTER.
      37. Nay [or rather, No and of course not], [but rather] in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us.
      57. And thanks be to God, which gives us victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
      58. T h e r e f o r e, m y b e l o v e d brethren, be you steadfast, unmovable, always abounding in the work [or laboring in doing the good deeds] of the Lord, forasmuch as you know that your labor is not in vain [i.e. they are neither useless nor without reward] in the Lord.
      Rom. 8:38-39.
      38. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
      39. Nor height, nor dept, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the
      love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
      As it is written,
      “WE ARE MORE THAN CONQUERORS THROUGH HIM THAT LOVED US”

    45. Larry Kinsler
      November 19th, 2011 @ 2:22 pm

      People today that teach losing Salvation use Adam as an example of becoming lost ” the second time “. Romans 5:14-19 tells us that He became lost not when He backslid, not when He changed masters, not when He walked away from the Lord, but when He committed one sin by disobeying one commandment. I have two questions for losing Salvation apologists today that beg to be answered. 1. Why don’t you become lost the second time today just as the example of Adam you use became lost? 2. Why are you only lost when you ” die that way “; why aren’t you lost when you ” live that way”?

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